Conversation with #hplusroadmap at Sun 30 Mar 2008 10:54:31 AM CDT on kanzure@irc.freenode.net (irc)
(2008-03-30 10:54:31) The topic for #hplusroadmap is: happy bunny day - day of the replicator || http://heybryan.org/ http://fennetic.net/
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(2008-03-30 16:02:34) kanzure: http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html <-- I got bored, so I critiqued the Wikipedia article.
(2008-03-30 16:46:56) epitron: Some interesting excerpts from Charles Simonyi’s 1986 interview:
(2008-03-30 16:46:56) epitron: SML: Why is it taking so much time for progress to occur with computers:
(2008-03-30 16:46:59) epitron: Charles: Because a lot of dumb ideas have to die first. That’s why progress takes time. First, new ideas have to evolve, then the bad ideas that stop the progress have to die. Even with relativity and quantum mechanics, the good ideas had to crystallize. And then people with vested interest in the old physics had to die out.
(2008-03-30 16:47:18) epitron: haha
(2008-03-30 17:02:08) kanzure: epitron: Did you read my critique of the Wikipedia article?
(2008-03-30 17:02:39) kanzure: epitron: I figure it's right up your ally re: enhancement.
(2008-03-30 17:08:48) epitron: no, i'm currently looking at a bunch of google techtalks
(2008-03-30 17:09:08) epitron: i'll check it out later...
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(2008-03-30 19:09:26) kanzure: fenn_: http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html
(2008-03-30 19:09:37) kanzure: and tonight's lecture on stem cells - http://heybryan.org/chats/2008-03-30-%23%23neuroscience_re_iPS_stem_cells.html
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(2008-03-30 20:29:13) kanzure: Hey Enki-2.
(2008-03-30 20:29:21) kanzure: Enki-2: would you read my h+ article critique? http://heybryan.org/transhumanism_def.html
(2008-03-30 20:33:13) Enki-2: sure
(2008-03-30 20:33:14) Enki-2: in a bit
(2008-03-30 20:35:54) ***fenn looks
(2008-03-30 20:38:19) fenn: shouldnt 1 be transhumanology and 2 be transhumanism?
(2008-03-30 20:40:38) kanzure: how so?
(2008-03-30 20:40:48) kanzure: how would 1 be transhumanology?
(2008-03-30 20:43:18) fenn: or maybe transhumaneering :P
(2008-03-30 20:43:32) fenn: isms are usually social or philosophical movements
(2008-03-30 20:43:44) fenn: whereas technical fields of study are not
(2008-03-30 20:44:19) kanzure: huh
(2008-03-30 20:44:21) kanzure: that is a good point
(2008-03-30 20:44:52) fenn: transhumaneering makes me think of privateering
(2008-03-30 20:45:11) kanzure: transhuman engineering ?
(2008-03-30 20:45:18) fenn: meh
(2008-03-30 20:45:35) fenn: 'meddling'
(2008-03-30 20:46:40) fenn: you could use both if you want. transhuman engineering and social transhumanism
(2008-03-30 20:47:08) kanzure: what? social transhumanism is already in use, or already suggested in the doc at least
(2008-03-30 20:47:13) kanzure: I call it type-1 and type-2 later in the doc :)
(2008-03-30 20:48:19) fenn: i mean for extra redundancy (since you seem to think 'transhiumanism' is ambiguous')
(2008-03-30 20:48:50) kanzure: but it is ambiguous -- there's apparently a weird political movement behind it
(2008-03-30 20:48:55) kanzure: of people who are angry about money and other nonsense
(2008-03-30 20:49:46) fenn: well, sure, because it's unfair that rich people should live and poor people die
(2008-03-30 20:50:19) kanzure: right, but that's where self-replication comes in
(2008-03-30 20:50:21) kanzure: as well as other projects
(2008-03-30 20:50:27) kanzure: such as the human variome project to collect all genetic variation
(2008-03-30 20:50:31) kanzure: or the DNA sequencing organizations
(2008-03-30 20:50:36) kanzure: (they need to get a move on, fast)
(2008-03-30 20:51:36) fenn: how does dna sequencing help with social inequality?
(2008-03-30 20:51:48) kanzure: it doesn't, but we can sure as hell try to save them
(2008-03-30 20:59:25) fenn: the whole genetic divide argument is specious at best
(2008-03-30 20:59:39) fenn: we already have 'human enhancement techologies' of every sort
(2008-03-30 20:59:48) fenn: cars, computers, fresh vegetables
(2008-03-30 20:59:49) kanzure: yep
(2008-03-30 21:00:54) kanzure: (added)
(2008-03-30 21:07:51) fenn: heh 'ableist' what a funny concept. i had to read the word several times
(2008-03-30 21:13:53) fenn: "they wouldn't be alive if medical technology and our industrialization would keep them there" and neither would 98% of the world's population
(2008-03-30 21:14:03) kanzure: refresh I updated that part
(2008-03-30 21:14:05) kanzure: that exact line
(2008-03-30 21:14:37) kanzure: "the fact is that they *are* alive, no matter how it happens to be so"
(2008-03-30 21:15:17) fenn: its a rather meaningless division is what i'm trying to say "them" vs "us"
(2008-03-30 21:15:54) fenn: the fact is that _we_ are alive no matter how it happens to be so
(2008-03-30 21:16:43) fenn: are you good at hunting? how well does your immune system do when you're starving?
(2008-03-30 21:16:48) kanzure: aha, a difference in emphasis
(2008-03-30 21:17:09) kanzure: added
(2008-03-30 21:18:09) kanzure: s/phylogenetic/phenotypic/
(2008-03-30 21:25:55) fenn: just read the diamond age, it's interesting that stephenson thinks humans will reorganize mostly along racial lines onces the national and economic boundaries fall apart
(2008-03-30 21:26:10) kanzure: sounds like bullshit to me
(2008-03-30 21:26:19) kanzure: although niches will always develop
(2008-03-30 21:26:24) kanzure: and specialists to fit the niches
(2008-03-30 21:26:56) kanzure: by 'bullshit' I mean it sounds like he might be somewhat racist
(2008-03-30 21:27:10) fenn: well, it might just be a plot element
(2008-03-30 21:27:57) fenn: have you read the book?
(2008-03-30 21:29:19) kanzure: nope
(2008-03-30 21:29:34) kanzure: I hear of it all the time, of course
(2008-03-30 21:58:42) kanzure: haha
(2008-03-30 21:58:46) kanzure: there is a concerned mother in #wrongplanet
(2008-03-30 21:58:50) kanzure: she has an autistic child
(2008-03-30 21:59:01) kanzure: and says that she wants to check out #wrongplanet to see what it's like
(2008-03-30 21:59:06) kanzure: because "my son feels so lonely"
(2008-03-30 22:51:16) kanzure: I need to find somebody in materials science.
(2008-03-30 22:54:05) kanzure: fenn: this guy looks interesting
(2008-03-30 22:54:05) kanzure: http://ferrocene.livejournal.com/profile
(2008-03-30 22:55:07) kanzure: apparently I already had him on my buddy list
(2008-03-30 22:58:18) kanzure: I hate it when my searches take me in circles
(2008-03-30 22:58:19) kanzure: http://magicalypse.livejournal.com/profile
(2008-03-30 22:58:22) kanzure: Michael Anissimov. Again.
(2008-03-30 22:58:40) kanzure: Mike is a sharp guy. Started the Immortality Institute ( http://imminst.org/ ) while in high school, has a good nootropic following.
(2008-03-30 23:10:50) fenn: ferrocene + thiophene + ch4 = carbon nanotubes
(2008-03-30 23:12:43) mech0r: you just won your way into my heart w/ that
(2008-03-30 23:12:53) mech0r: ok nite
(2008-03-30 23:13:05) fenn: anissimov is very precise in his words, it's unusual
(2008-03-30 23:15:17) kanzure: he's a quick guy :)
(2008-03-30 23:15:22) kanzure: he and I have been meaning to hook up
(2008-03-30 23:15:40) fenn: he's usually on lucifer.com #sl4
(2008-03-30 23:15:49) fenn: irc.lucifer.com i mean
(2008-03-30 23:15:55) kanzure: http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/ is him
(2008-03-30 23:15:58) kanzure: nope
(2008-03-30 23:16:01) kanzure: I was there for months
(2008-03-30 23:16:12) fenn: oh well
(2008-03-30 23:16:19) kanzure: Eliezer would come into #SL4 from time to time :)
(2008-03-30 23:16:38) fenn: heh random acts of methodical rationality
(2008-03-30 23:17:11) fenn: i wonder if he knows the significance of fleur-de-lise
(2008-03-30 23:20:22) kanzure: a piano song?
(2008-03-30 23:20:24) kanzure: work
(2008-03-30 23:20:32) kanzure: piano piece
(2008-03-30 23:22:24) kanzure: My searches are not working out.
(2008-03-30 23:22:32) kanzure: I've found maybe 15 different people on AIM who might do materials-sci
(2008-03-30 23:22:36) kanzure: but they are all offline
(2008-03-30 23:22:52) fenn: as i understand it, fleur de lise is a symbol of the french monarchy, it was basically their stamp that they put on everything
(2008-03-30 23:27:21) kanzure: query: "AOL IM" "materials science" only pulls up a few results
(2008-03-30 23:27:48) fenn: why AOL IM?
(2008-03-30 23:28:06) kanzure: easy to search for
(2008-03-30 23:28:09) kanzure: Jabber doesn't get many results
(2008-03-30 23:28:15) fenn: jabber is too new
(2008-03-30 23:28:22) kanzure: and I am not sure if I want people who use MSNM/MSN
(2008-03-30 23:28:36) fenn: google chat? :P
(2008-03-30 23:28:49) kanzure: inurl:edu IRC "freenode" "materials science"
(2008-03-30 23:29:02) kanzure: wish I could do a TLD restriction
(2008-03-30 23:34:58) fenn: site:edu
(2008-03-30 23:37:33) kanzure: I guess I can always search for @yahoo.com and guess whether or not the guy does Yahoo Messenger.
(2008-03-30 23:44:13) kanzure: divado2001, yuhjer, m_rixman, vishista, scchang3768, cocomow, rwkozar88, whitchon, Galalah1, eugeneb76, agazad, bmk_pgh, yaramejia, bhargava_sumeet, shreelatha74, zhouflo, sunita_parasuraman,
(2008-03-30 23:44:16) kanzure: acconstantinescu, spyshkin, macdougall_bruce, meteorologist1 (most definitely), lilo_wood, yunfei_li_ca, qtchaitu, silvrdrgn13, xia_bai, xinxinli1979, jude_adarne, wienerdoglove, sunghant, jhxing002, builuan2000, d_biava,
(2008-03-30 23:44:19) kanzure: samarjyotikalita, jadeink05, liqizhenwj, klarry10, mkhan_ju, emily.eikleberry,
(2008-03-30 23:44:19) kanzure: serghei_dmitriev, maoliang_xiang, kwamoa, chamaree007, nchuae34, ghidewonarefe, lihaiyong, caracara7, dinofavetta, jlfuentessa, jadambaa_ts
(2008-03-31 00:05:50) kanzure: fenn:
(2008-03-31 00:05:52) kanzure: $1/watt
(2008-03-31 00:05:52) kanzure: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/1366-technologies-solar-power-energy-panels.php
(2008-03-31 00:06:03) kanzure: [...] adding texture to the surface of the cells that allows the silicon to absorb more light, a trick that's been used before with single-crystalline devices but has been difficult to implement with multicrystalline silicon.
(2008-03-31 00:06:10) kanzure: [...] silver wires harvest electrical current generated by the silicon. Sachs has developed a method for making these wires as small as one-fifth the width of the wires that are typically used, while improving their conductivity.
(2008-03-31 00:06:16) kanzure: a set of wide, flat wires used to collect current from the thin silver wires. These bars typically block light entering the cell, reducing efficiency. But Sachs has etched their surfaces so that they act as faceted mirrors.
(2008-03-31 01:16:02) kanzure: fenn: I found ferrocene