Conversation with #hplusroadmap at Sat 12 Apr 2008 11:48:41 AM CDT on kanzure@irc.freenode.net (irc)

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(2008-04-12 13:04:32) fenn: *plop*
(2008-04-12 13:05:15) fenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA9yYwKN8BU
(2008-04-12 13:06:29) fenn: this guy does piezo ceramics and free form extrusion of colloids: http://smay.okstate.edu/
(2008-04-12 13:28:21) kanzure: haha :) I have people telephoning me about my edits to the wikipedia article on h+
(2008-04-12 13:31:29) kanzure: you still need to get back to me re: that todo list I wrote up
(2008-04-12 13:32:24) kanzure: while searching for a chem book for somebody in ##chemistry, I ran into my old post re: furnaces and metal casting over at http://www.scienceforums.net/forum/showpost.php?p=347743&postcount=2
(2008-04-12 13:34:49) fenn: i'm reading about semantic web/DTD right now
(2008-04-12 13:35:17) fenn: zinc furnace is nothing special, a stove will do
(2008-04-12 13:39:27) fenn: i see you have no links about lost foam casting
(2008-04-12 13:39:51) kanzure: as you read up on DTD see if it's anything we can use
(2008-04-12 13:41:29) fenn: add this to your casting bookmarks http://buildyouridea.com/foundry/lost_foam_howto/lost_foam_howto.html
(2008-04-12 13:43:40) fenn: am wondering how to represent those pictures in words and still be able to understand it
(2008-04-12 13:43:52) fenn: maybe svg diagrams is the way to go
(2008-04-12 13:44:52) fenn: xml schema is the new, improved DTD
(2008-04-12 13:46:06) fenn: oh, xml Schema
(2008-04-12 13:46:38) fenn: apparently schema is any sort of data specification
(2008-04-12 13:52:08) kanzure: I don't know what DTD provides that BNF/grammars do not
(2008-04-12 13:53:39) kanzure: I just timed my browser - it takes me 40 seconds to add a bookmark now. I have 233 tabs open that I want to bookmark. I could do it all at once, but I want to sort them (sorting takes ~5 sec per link). so that's 4 hours
(2008-04-12 13:53:42) kanzure: there has to be a better way
(2008-04-12 13:53:54) kanzure: technically adding the bookmark is near instantaneous
(2008-04-12 13:54:00) kanzure: but then I want to edit it and add a description
(2008-04-12 13:54:05) kanzure: opening up the prompt to edit it takes 20 seconds
(2008-04-12 13:54:09) kanzure: and then saving the prompt takes another 20
(2008-04-12 13:54:31) kanzure: this is in Opera's bookmark manager
(2008-04-12 14:22:00) kanzure: ihttp://www.polonator.org/
(2008-04-12 14:22:04) kanzure: http://polonator.org/
(2008-04-12 14:22:07) kanzure: working, open source sequencer
(2008-04-12 14:53:52) fenn: maybe it takes so long to open your bookmarks because you have ten thousand of them
(2008-04-12 15:13:56) kanzure: nonsense!
(2008-04-12 15:13:59) kanzure: why load them all at once
(2008-04-12 15:14:01) kanzure: that's stupid
(2008-04-12 15:16:19) fenn: why does it take 20 seconds to open a bookmark editor?
(2008-04-12 15:16:30) fenn: is it kde? i notice stuff takes forever to load in kde
(2008-04-12 15:16:55) fenn: launch bookmark editor from a terminal emulator
(2008-04-12 15:23:48) kanzure: it's Opera
(2008-04-12 15:23:52) kanzure: it was 20 seconds on Windows too
(2008-04-12 15:23:56) Dan left the room (quit: Nick collision from services.).
(2008-04-12 15:24:03) kanzure: the kde bookmark editor can't handle 2.6 MB of bookmarks, unfortunately
(2008-04-12 15:24:29) facefaceface [n=chatzill@bioinformatics.org] entered the room.
(2008-04-12 15:56:10) kanzure: facefaceface: http://polonator.org/ - pyrosequencing is awesome
(2008-04-12 16:12:34) kanzure: I added some notes: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/DNA_sequencer#Open_source_sequencer_-_the_Polonator
(2008-04-12 16:29:43) fenn: how do you get the zetabyte number
(2008-04-12 16:33:48) fenn: does pyrosequencing use random primers? why not just use the last bit of the last sequence as the primer for the next sequence?
(2008-04-12 16:34:45) fenn: it doesnt matter if it takes a day to synthesize th sequence - you can have thousands of 'inchworms' going at a time
(2008-04-12 16:34:58) fenn: on the same polonator
(2008-04-12 16:35:07) fenn: wtf does polonator mean anyway
(2008-04-12 16:37:40) fenn: "Polonies are discrete clonal amplifications of a single DNA molecule, grown on a solid-phase surface."
(2008-04-12 17:11:46) kanzure: fenn: zetabyte from a Regahi presentation. He's the guy that came up with pyrosequencing. This is for new genome sequencing, not resequencing, of course.
(2008-04-12 17:13:26) kanzure: http://www.mgrc.com.my/eminent_speaker_Ronaghi.shtml
(2008-04-12 17:13:30) kanzure: I believe it was section 4 or 5
(2008-04-12 17:14:59) kanzure: http://snpedia.com/ - it's weird to already be registered on a website that I've never before seen.
(2008-04-12 17:15:56) fenn: blacked out internet addict
(2008-04-12 17:36:46) kanzure: http://microbewiki.kenyon.edu/index.php/MicrobeWiki
(2008-04-12 17:36:51) kanzure: a few months ago I was buying lots of scifi books,
(2008-04-12 17:37:00) kanzure: Joan Slonczweski's "Brain Plague" was near the top of my list
(2008-04-12 17:37:05) kanzure: Joan is running that microbewiki ...
(2008-04-12 17:37:06) kanzure: hehe
(2008-04-12 18:50:17) fenn: bio mine wiki: http://wiki.biomine.skelleftea.se/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
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(2008-04-12 22:02:27) Splicer: me sleeps for a while
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(2008-04-12 22:05:57) kanzure: Hey Splicer.
(2008-04-12 22:06:08) kanzure: http://heybryan.org/recursion.html <-- what I am working on in the background.
(2008-04-12 22:24:49) Aulere [n=nevermor@131.229.176.252] entered the room.
(2008-04-12 23:00:09) kanzure: Hey Aulere.
(2008-04-12 23:00:17) kanzure: http://heybryan.org/recursion.html
(2008-04-12 23:00:45) Aulere: hi
(2008-04-12 23:01:07) kanzure: ^ is what I was writign before I stopped to respond to another wta-talk email
(2008-04-12 23:06:07) Aulere: interesting
(2008-04-12 23:09:22) Aulere: I'd like to see intuition - excuse me, incubation - studied in MRI
(2008-04-12 23:10:45) Aulere: The DLPFC was found to be a main component of working memory - perhaps even the executive controller of working memory;
(2008-04-12 23:11:07) Aulere: (by studying activation in the absense of stimulation)
(2008-04-12 23:11:23) Aulere: I wonder if a similar study exists for more long-term incubation.
(2008-04-12 23:12:53) kanzure: DLPFC?
(2008-04-12 23:13:21) Aulere: Sorry, Dorsolateral Prefrontal Cortex
(2008-04-12 23:13:42) kanzure: Hm.
(2008-04-12 23:25:42) Aulere: Rowe et. al 2000
(2008-04-12 23:26:33) kanzure: I'll look into it.
(2008-04-12 23:28:07) Aulere: < just the main one. several others.
(2008-04-12 23:28:34) Aulere: eh, it's only tertiarily related ;-)
(2008-04-12 23:28:56) kanzure: I still need to poke fenn into reviewing the todo list. I've spent the majority of the day going through the list of tabs that I have open as opposed to getting any work done. On the other hand, I did learn about some neat open source pyrosequencing techniques.
(2008-04-12 23:29:59) Aulere: hehe
(2008-04-12 23:41:51) fenn: i got distracted by bio and asteroid mining
(2008-04-12 23:42:06) fenn: oh, and zinc-air fuel cells
(2008-04-12 23:42:33) fenn: i'm thinking about making an electric tractor, and lead acid batteries just dont appeal to me
(2008-04-12 23:44:57) fenn: The Apollo astronauts had some difficulty extracting subsurface samples. While the top was powdery and soft their attempts to drill into the surface resulted in the seizing of the drills which had to be abandoned in place.
(2008-04-12 23:45:11) fenn: obviously, the cheese melted onto the drills
(2008-04-12 23:47:51) kanzure: hah
(2008-04-12 23:48:06) kanzure: so it looks like we'd have to detonate on the moon if we wanted to mine
(2008-04-12 23:48:18) kanzure: and we'd have to constrain/focus the detonation blasts
(2008-04-12 23:48:31) kanzure: or use biomining techniques of course
(2008-04-12 23:48:37) fenn: oh, of course
(2008-04-12 23:48:41) kanzure: of course!
(2008-04-12 23:48:49) kanzure: http://heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/Moontank
(2008-04-12 23:49:06) fenn: i was reading about ceres today, theoretically it's up to 10% water by mass, about the size of Luna
(2008-04-12 23:49:16) kanzure: ceres = moon of mars?
(2008-04-12 23:49:21) kanzure: satellite of mars
(2008-04-12 23:49:23) fenn: a big asteroid
(2008-04-12 23:49:26) kanzure: oh,
(2008-04-12 23:52:42) fenn: ok, so, smaller than luna by a lot :)
(2008-04-12 23:54:13) fenn: ooo the nature of the bright spot is uncertain
(2008-04-12 23:59:43) kanzure: I need a list of all genes suspected to be related to the functioning of the brain.
(2008-04-13 00:00:02) fenn: most of them
(2008-04-13 00:00:18) kanzure: great
(2008-04-13 00:00:18) fenn: maybe you should try to get a list of genes _not_ related to the functioning of the brain
(2008-04-13 00:00:36) Aulere: heh
(2008-04-13 00:04:05) kanzure: I guess I want the Brain Atlas project for humans to be completed