Conversation with #hplusroadmap at Fri 11 Apr 2008 09:57:11 PM CDT on kanzure@irc.freenode.net (irc)
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(2008-04-11 22:03:01) fenn: kanzure: yep, pretty much, realized college was BS halfway through and decided to finish anyway, now i'm sort of coasting on money i was supposed to spend on college but didnt because i'm cheap
(2008-04-11 22:03:13) kanzure: neat
(2008-04-11 22:03:30) kanzure: so if I get a startup going and have some funding, you'd be interested in seeing if it could work out for you?
(2008-04-11 22:03:30) fenn: did a bit of sysadmin perlmongering and hated it
(2008-04-11 22:03:44) fenn: depends what it is
(2008-04-11 22:03:49) kanzure: ok, but it's not out of the question
(2008-04-11 22:03:52) fenn: yes i'd be interested
(2008-04-11 22:05:04) kanzure: how much does it take to coast, anyway?
(2008-04-11 22:05:16) kanzure: because I have a five digit number coming up for college funds
(2008-04-11 22:05:23) fenn: do you really want to know? :)
(2008-04-11 22:05:26) kanzure: sure
(2008-04-11 22:05:46) fenn: well, food is free from dumpsters, and you really only need a sleeping bag and a plastic sheet
(2008-04-11 22:05:56) kanzure: what about your metal shop?
(2008-04-11 22:06:45) fenn: i happen to live in a house, and rent+bills is about $220, but its a rather "choice" situation, takes a while to find that sort of thing
(2008-04-11 22:07:13) fenn: metal shop is crap from harbor freight.. dunno, i probably have spent about $2000 there
(2008-04-11 22:07:22) kanzure: that's not bad
(2008-04-11 22:07:22) fenn: and $800 on the atlas lathe
(2008-04-11 22:07:29) kanzure: my mom runs a woodworking shop
(2008-04-11 22:07:33) kanzure: she's spent significantly more than $2800 on it
(2008-04-11 22:07:43) kanzure: and she's a deal hunter ;)
(2008-04-11 22:07:48) fenn: my estimate may be off by a lot
(2008-04-11 22:08:21) fenn: i will figure it out when i get my computerized inventory database set up
(2008-04-11 22:08:57) kanzure: $220 is pretty good
(2008-04-11 22:09:13) fenn: um, it's more than just a cost database, it's searchable and tells you where to find stuff
(2008-04-11 22:09:49) fenn: yep, at one point i was paying $50 for rent, but we had like 10 people living here
(2008-04-11 22:10:10) fenn: big old farm house with fields around it
(2008-04-11 22:10:51) kanzure: big old farm house ... with internet access? hehe
(2008-04-11 22:11:10) fenn: actually.. there is a fiber optic cable right across the street
(2008-04-11 22:11:18) kanzure: a steal.
(2008-04-11 22:11:32) fenn: you can open up this little door in the ground and see a room full of server racks and telephone equipment
(2008-04-11 22:12:16) fenn: we thought the phone company vans were spying on us because they were always parked over there doing apparently nothing
(2008-04-11 22:13:04) fenn: so, now the brouhaha is filing for 501c(3) status so people can give us money for being cool
(2008-04-11 22:13:47) kanzure: huh?
(2008-04-11 22:13:49) kanzure: how would that work?
(2008-04-11 22:14:05) kanzure: do you actually do anything ?
(2008-04-11 22:14:06) kanzure: heh
(2008-04-11 22:14:13) kanzure: I mean, that people would give money for?
(2008-04-11 22:14:20) fenn: well, people have all this excess money that they can give away, and basically it's redirecting money away form the gov't
(2008-04-11 22:14:34) kanzure: ah, for donations
(2008-04-11 22:14:47) fenn: we would be doing 'educational outreach'
(2008-04-11 22:14:57) kanzure: neat
(2008-04-11 22:16:03) fenn: today discussed about how people have land-lines that they never use, and how to utilize those as a distributed skype-ish last mile POTS network bridge
(2008-04-11 22:16:11) fenn: phone lines
(2008-04-11 22:16:26) fenn: say you're in europe and you want to call indiana
(2008-04-11 22:16:53) fenn: you skype over the net to my server, which picks up the modem and dials a local indiana number
(2008-04-11 22:17:18) fenn: since i'm not using the phone line, it's no sweat off my back. but need lots of them
(2008-04-11 22:17:21) kanzure: I believe that's, ah, autoasterisk
(2008-04-11 22:17:24) kanzure: asterisk project or something
(2008-04-11 22:17:31) fenn: asterisk does a lot of crap
(2008-04-11 22:17:55) fenn: anyway, it would be cool to figure out how to promote this and possibly take advantage of it
(2008-04-11 22:19:21) kanzure: wait, wouldn't they be on your bill?
(2008-04-11 22:19:29) kanzure: phone bill?
(2008-04-11 22:19:32) kanzure: unless local calls are free
(2008-04-11 22:19:36) kanzure: then you only need bandwidth to scale up
(2008-04-11 22:19:41) kanzure: so that's paying for new wires to be put in, yes?
(2008-04-11 22:21:04) fenn: no, we dont buy any hardware, expansion works by distributing the software to other people who want to take part
(2008-04-11 22:21:13) kanzure: hm
(2008-04-11 22:21:19) kanzure: yes, that'd work
(2008-04-11 22:21:48) fenn: see, you have to sign up for telephone service if you want DSL
(2008-04-11 22:22:00) fenn: so you get this useless phone line
(2008-04-11 22:22:14) kanzure: hah
(2008-04-11 22:22:25) fenn: weird isnt it
(2008-04-11 22:22:53) fenn: phone company unwittingly causing its own demise
(2008-04-11 22:24:18) kanzure: it's too bad we can't get people to pull their own fiber optic cabling
(2008-04-11 22:24:29) kanzure: if it drops packages, that's ok, the internet routes around that sort of damage
(2008-04-11 22:24:48) fenn: nah, wireless mesh network is a zillion times cheaper and more resilient
(2008-04-11 22:24:56) fenn: only downside is latency
(2008-04-11 22:25:03) kanzure: well, I was thinking the same
(2008-04-11 22:25:06) kanzure: but I want self-replicating mesh nodes
(2008-04-11 22:25:23) kanzure: on the other hand, taking over the HAM frequencies might be worth it
(2008-04-11 22:25:55) fenn: there's also optical and IR and more
(2008-04-11 22:26:24) kanzure: ronja needs to include DIY laser instructions ;)
(2008-04-11 22:26:53) fenn: TEA laser router? :P
(2008-04-11 22:26:58) kanzure: yep
(2008-04-11 22:27:06) fenn: do not stare into router with remaining eye
(2008-04-11 22:27:54) fenn: fluorescent light might be fast enough
(2008-04-11 22:28:14) fenn: or some kind of corona discharge
(2008-04-11 22:28:30) fenn: then you get to worry about diy light detectors
(2008-04-11 22:28:48) kanzure: some sort of cheap photoamplifier
(2008-04-11 22:29:00) fenn: yeah, those two words dont go together
(2008-04-11 22:29:03) kanzure: or digital camera from walgreens
(2008-04-11 22:29:11) kanzure: hooked up to some software?
(2008-04-11 22:29:19) fenn: if you buy something might as well just buy some led's and photodiodes and be done with it
(2008-04-11 22:29:44) kanzure: I'm going to get some sleep, I'm being useless at the moment
(2008-04-11 22:29:57) kanzure: I need you to go over the todo notes I threw up yesterday and tell me if you can think of something else I should be doing tomorrow
(2008-04-11 22:30:07) kanzure: http;//heybryan.org/mediawiki/index.php/2008-04-10 has the list near the bottom somewhere
(2008-04-11 22:30:54) fenn: ok, will look, g'nite
(2008-04-11 22:36:05) kanzure: as expected, Wikipedia pulled my edits