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21:52 < kanzure> "In the Transhuman Space roleplaying game it told the story of a scientifically brilliant billionaire (he could certainly afford his many offspring) who built a space colony for the thousands of clones he had made of himself (the children were decanted as babies and did not have his personality downloaded into them)!  They were one massive laissez-faire
21:52 < kanzure> think tank and people would make pilgrimages to the facility to seek their aid in research projects.   "
21:56 < fenn> i wonder where it got this idea "/dev/hda2 has gone 7717 days without being checked, check forced"
21:57 < fenn> in his spare time, bryan enjoys making bookmarks and spamming mailing lists with url's
21:57 < kanzure> aww, come on now
21:57 < kanzure> really? I can stop if it's that bad
21:57 < fenn> no i just think it's funny
21:57 < kanzure> :)
21:58 < kanzure> "in his spare time- wait, what?"
21:58 < fenn> s/also/currently/
21:58 < fenn> oh you changed it, nm
21:59 < kanzure> I was looking at squid-labs as some representative models
21:59 < kanzure> unfortunately I don't have a bajillion phd's
22:02 < fenn> more stuff @ http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/?Qwd=./ralston-inventory
22:02 < kanzure> appended past n=31?
22:02 < fenn> different naming scheme
22:02 < fenn> (different camera
22:05 < fenn> i wonder if it's safe to have this can of methylene chloride in the car
22:23 < kanzure> (09:24:18 PM) Tito: we're trying to make a magnetic lid for our gel box, and we want the current to run through the magnet, as well
22:23 < kanzure> gee, what's wrong with a plastic tab at the end of the gel box top (like a refrigerator's light switch)
22:26 < fenn> current run through the magnet? that's goofy
22:26 < kanzure> the front of the gel box is 1/4 inch thick, so the tab would have to be 1/8 inch or something.
22:26 < kanzure> (lid-closed detection switch)
22:26 < kanzure> "I really want a SPOF for the circuit"
22:27 < fenn> well 100+V in splashy electrolyte needs some kind of safety mechanism
22:27 < kanzure> so I think he wants it to turn off when the lid is open
22:27 < kanzure> a switch seems perfect for this
22:27 < fenn> just use a microswitch
22:27 < kanzure> is that a particular type of switch?
22:27 < fenn> it's found in microwaves :P
22:28 < fenn> http://www.darkravenwind.com/cdvision/images/microswitch.gif
22:29 < kanzure> yep, that's exactly what he should use
22:29 < kanzure> (09:33:49 PM) Tito: oh, the other requirement is that it's waterproof
22:29 < fenn> not gonna happen with a hobbyist budget
22:30 < fenn> use an isolation transformer in your power supply
22:30 < kanzure> a what? 
22:30 < fenn> use a GFCI too if you're really paranoid
22:30 < fenn> um.. back to basics. electricity is a potential difference between two points. mains current uses the earth as one of the points
22:31 < fenn> s/current/voltage
22:31 < fenn> if you run AC through a transformer the two ends of the wire coming out of the transformer are the two points
22:31 < fenn> so if you touch the wire and the earth you wont get shocked (theoretically)
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22:32 < kanzure> ah, I didn't know it was a basic device
22:32 < fenn> some transformers connect part of the wire to earth (ground)
22:32 < tito3> hey everybody
22:32 < fenn> hi tito
22:32 < kanzure> tito3: so fenn was suggesting that waterproof might not happen for low-budget
22:32 < tito3> very low budget